124 Spider Abarth Stradale Build

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Re: 124 Spider Abarth Stradale Build

Post by lanciahf » Fri Aug 23, 2019 1:50 pm

Bill, thanks for sharing, I'm really enjoying this thread.
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Re: 124 Spider Abarth Stradale Build

Post by ST3Racer » Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:37 pm

Hmmm, some wise guys moved this thread to a new? category. I think it works well here. I will get to work on more. Interior first, then drivetrain later.
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'69 rebodied with '79 backdated chassis as '72 DP 1.8L Vintage Racer
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Re: 124 Spider Abarth Stradale Build

Post by ST3Racer » Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:46 pm

Ralph,
Had Scorpions? If there is a next project for me, it would be a Monte Carlo (Scorpion). I have one or two located. I would resto-mod it with the 037 body panels for the quad headlight conversion, the double bubble roof, and round tail lights, front valence, Beta Grille, etc. A kind of 037 Stradale Light. I still have the Volumex set-up. A 2L with the Blower, suck-thru 45 DCOE......

The only other Spider I would want would be an '85.5 with all it's unique goodies.
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'69 rebodied with '79 backdated chassis as '72 DP 1.8L Vintage Racer
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Re: 124 Spider Abarth Stradale Build

Post by bartigue » Sat Aug 24, 2019 6:47 pm

ST3Racer wrote:
Sat Aug 24, 2019 2:37 pm
Hmmm, some wise guys moved this thread to a new? category. I think it works well here. I will get to work on more. Interior first, then drivetrain later.
Same wise guy posted in Mirafiori News that some of the photo/story threads were being moved here.
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Re: 124 Spider Abarth Stradale Build

Post by ST3Racer » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:07 am

OK, at this point, I believe that the visual spotting features for the outside of the car have been covered. If anyone has input where I have missed something, please reply.

My research on the interior of the Abarth Stradale was just as complex as the for the outside features of the original cars. The Abarth Rally and Stradale models were meant for Rally, and the interior was modified from the standard 124 Spider models to accomplish that.
In the interior, stock type seats were used, but more often Recaro Nurburgring seats were supplied.
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Recaros - reference photo
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naked interior, Recaros
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stock seats
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stock seats, tunnel cover
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There is an Abarth steering wheel with either black or brushed AL spokes, and the checkered horn button with Abarth badge. The wood panels on the dash were replaced with brushed aluminum panels, and the glove box door was eliminated for a small 25mm high fixed dam in it’s place. The open glove box would accomodate a Halda Rally Computer, which was used at the time. The stock console is replaced by a much smaller one surrounding the ashtray, and park brake pull handle. Forward of the small console is a vinyl upholstered/padded cover over the transmission that eliminates most of the center console, and the radio console. The heater control cables that are exposed are covered by vinyl.
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The door cards are simple vinyl pleated panels, and have no arm rests. Interior door pulls vary by individual example.
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door cards
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door card
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There is no rear seat, but a carpeted shelf much like the late Pininfarina Spider models is present, instead. There is a 4-point rollbar with four distinctive tight radius bends (not 2 larger radius bends)to the main hoop.

The build up on my replica was done over a long period of time, but as I want a good touring car, I took steps to ensure comfort, and to keep the theme of a replica.
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interior build up
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more build on the interior
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I originally purchased two Corbeau seats that I believed were very close to the original Recaros.
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Corbeau seats
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I was not happy with these seats, as the dimensions were not right for the interior. The backs of the seats were too wide at the top, and would not clear the roll bar.
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Re: 124 Spider Abarth Stradale Build

Post by ST3Racer » Sun Sep 01, 2019 1:23 am

I found GT Classic out of Texas, and got their Nurburgring seats in vinyl with corduroy cushions, which are a duplicate of the original Recaro seats. The same seat was also available for the original in a herringbone cushion.
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GT Classics Recaros in Corduroy
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interior with the Recaro replicas
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I made my own dash plates in aluminum, with a brushed finish. I wanted a real glove box, so I took a stock door and painted it a matte black. I added the ‘Abarth’ badge because I had it, and wanted to do it that way. I can’t remember when I acquired the Abarth steering wheel, but I have one for the replica, and one for the racer. Both are originals.
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I sourced the Stradale console from Guy Moerenhout in Belgium. It is a rough reproduction that I have improved to look presentable.
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The rest of the interior is shown for the detail to the console, the tunnel cover, the door cards, and the rear package shelf. The Sabelt set is a period correct set for 5 point harnesses.
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rear shelf
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rear shelf area
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'69 124 Spider 2L ex EP racer, ex Volumex NASA ST3 Racecar - retired
'69 rebodied with '79 backdated chassis as '72 DP 1.8L Vintage Racer
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Re: 124 Spider Abarth Stradale Build

Post by friedman » Mon Sep 02, 2019 8:30 am

is the harness bar on the rollbar one of your tasteful additions?
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Re: 124 Spider Abarth Stradale Build

Post by ST3Racer » Mon Sep 02, 2019 4:44 pm

Carl,
Yup. My brother Mark is rollcageguy.com, and I naturally went to him for the roll bar. He is the only guy I would go to..., and he had the tight radius dies to do the distinctive bends in the Stradale roll bars. He has multiple 124 Spiders (and Scorpions, and Multiplas, and a gem of a 750 Abarth...), and could make the right shape, and make it clear the convertible top.

It is my understanding that the actual Stradale rollbar will not fit under a convertible top, so if you see pictures of the actual Stradale models showing a convertible top, they will not show the rollbar. It was bolted in (mine is welded), and can be removed.

At the end of the day, I couldn't hope to find the actual original bits to duplicate a real Stradale, so I made what I wanted that was as faithful to the look of the original, with more HP than the original. I made this car for me, and what I wanted to do with it. In that respect, it has worked out beyond my expectations. I have entered two Italian car shows (Automezzi in Denver, and the Italian Car Fest in Dallas - Grapevine), and won my category in both. I drove the car from Denver to Dallas for that show, and it ran like a locomotive (28 MPG!). I also took the car on Rt66 from Shamrock, TX to Oatman, AZ - out and back more than 2500 miles in 9 days, and it also ran flawlessly on that trip. I have taken it up to close to 12,000' elevation in Colorado (no jet change...) - perfect performance. I have done 4-5 track days, and my mandatory Vintage Drivers School in this same car - no problems. I could not ask for a better fun car.
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'69 rebodied with '79 backdated chassis as '72 DP 1.8L Vintage Racer
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Re: 124 Spider Abarth Stradale Build

Post by friedman » Tue Sep 03, 2019 8:40 am

The key phrase was that you built it for yourself. That is the way I built my current X even though it seems to confuse most X owners. Your spider is very desirable, I'm sure.

Abarth Stradales seem to drive spider owners crazy. There was a thread many years ago just about the color of the hood, was it gloss, matt, semi-gloss....it went on and on.
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Re: 124 Spider Abarth Stradale Build

Post by ST3Racer » Fri Sep 06, 2019 11:01 pm

Carl,
Is there a full write up on your X? I would like to see more. It looks good. It is obvious that I favor the rest-mod concept for these classic FIATs.

The reason is simple - they were introduced at a time when FIAT just didn't know what to do going forward, particularly in the USA. What with bumper height and impact requirements, coupled with emerging emission requirements, the important USA market unfortunately received very safe and tame offerings, meant to perform in a mandated national 55 mph environment. Both the X and the 124 models can do a LOT more, and the resto-mod concept works quite well for these cars, if the owner is willing to seek out the correct bits and do the best build. The current parts market offers options for more engine power, different final drive options for higher modern speeds, and better brakes to stop these modified FIATs. DO IT!

And yes, the Abarth Stradale models do make Spider owners crazy. In all ways. The color sheen problem on the hoods and trunk lids from a purely practical application standpoint is that to get a Matte, or Semi-gloss finish, the spray from the gun needs to be perfect to be the actual sheen. If any matte, or semi-gloss black is cut and polished, it turns gloss! My Stradale was sprayed matte, and had some faults, that led me to cut and polish, and gloss is what I ended up with. That is a future project to get a good Matte finish.
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'69 124 Spider 2L ex EP racer, ex Volumex NASA ST3 Racecar - retired
'69 rebodied with '79 backdated chassis as '72 DP 1.8L Vintage Racer
'74 124 Abarth Stradale Replica
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