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Re: New 1969 Spider Project

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:25 am
by atruscott
That 413 periwinkle (robins egg) blue is the original color of my wagon - and it’s being resprayed that color too!

Re: New 1969 Spider Project

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:19 pm
by zonker
bartigue wrote:
Sun Jun 23, 2019 10:06 pm
Yes. Like an ice blue. I can't paint it back the original color, I just can't do it. I think I am going to have it painted in graphite gray, or Grigio Grafite, PPG ALF716, which is a deep flat gray that Alfa used on the 750 Spiders 58-61:

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Alfa used a red interior, and FIAT did as well - on the periwinkle car as a matter of fact (Andy has a wagon with periwinkle and a red/black interior). I think mine will have the black interior, though I may use a red carpet. All to be determined. Something I find interesting is the early cars look great with the flat paints (yellow, black, red, gray, white) and the late cars look weird. Conversely the late cars take metallics well and the early cars don't. I think it has a lot to do with the simplicity of the early cars...no bumps and no big bumpers.
Yes that's the allure to the early models for me - pastel colors and hues not found on modern cars for the most part.
99 percent of all vehicles on the road these days are white/silver/gunmetal/black including my normal daily drivers so I really want the '69 Spider to beat to a different drum like my French Blue '74 X1/9 does.

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Re: New 1969 Spider Project

Posted: Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:06 pm
by miker
So, I've done a fair amount of research on the "French" in "French blue". In the middle ages, the woad plant was boiled down to create a color they called "Pastel" that made the merchants of the Midi-Pyrenees region (around Toulouse) rich. If you walk around the city even today, you'll see that color (often faded) on ironwork, vs. the black that is common in the USA. Unfortunately, the forces of globalization (even then!) put them at a disadvantage to a cheap eastern import- indigo from India.

We really wanted a front door painted that color, and after trying to take photos of samples in Toulouse (our daughter lives there), she gave us a small clay yogurt container of the right color. The local paint shop scanned it and voila, "French blue" or as we now call it, "Toulouse blue". It's really close to periwinkle.

This color was made famous by the French "James Taylor" called "San Francisco" about a house in that city painted that color that was a hippy pad in the late 1960s. Later, the house was painted green, causing an uproar among French tourists that prompted a French paint company to volunteer material and labor to have it restored to the proper blue. I recounted this story to my French tutor, and played a recording of the song. She was moved to tears.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbMuiANN1wM

https://vanessafrance.wordpress.com/201 ... st-france/

Re: New 1969 Spider Project

Posted: Thu Jun 27, 2019 2:06 am
by atruscott
Isn’t the French blue also known as Gordini Blue?

Re: New 1969 Spider Project

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:33 pm
by bartigue
A pressure washer that can produce 4200 psi and a 40 degree tip can really clean things up.
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After blasting the back of the house I decided to blast the last of the crap off of the Spider, as now it is almost entirely disassembled. Fun fact: this much pressure blasts out all of the insulating coating that FIAT applied to the car. Another fun fact: Pininfarina applied this stuff over bare metal and then painted over it. Fortunately the rust you see is only surface rust, there are a couple of through-holes but nothing major.
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Re: New 1969 Spider Project

Posted: Mon Jul 29, 2019 9:35 pm
by bartigue
Not much left on the body. The bumpers are going to a restoration shop fairly soon here, as it takes a while. The hood and fenders are in really nice shape, just need a little surface smoothing if anything.

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Re: New 1969 Spider Project

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 8:41 am
by bartigue
Radio console undergoing restoration. This early radio console has no signs of abuse and is completely intact. An uncommon find. Here is what I did on the aluminum:

Removed the hazard switch, light, and cigar lighter
Removed the grill by carefully bending the tabs that hold it in
Removed the speaker mesh from the grille
Placed the grille in acetone for a day (this removed the remants of the original coating, which had turned yellow)
Placed the grille in boiling vinegar and lemon for an hour
Painted the grille very lightly with an enamel in aluminum color

The speaker mesh is held to the grille with a paper/glue sheet, which deteriorates quickly in acetone.
I glued the mesh back in place with clear silicone from the back side

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Re: New 1969 Spider Project

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:41 pm
by fiat850
bartigue wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:13 am
Here is a photo of the reverse light, it’s a shared part with the Alfa duetto. I’m looking into the history of it because it wasn’t common on fiats.
These Carello Reverse lamps were used on the USA 1968/69 850 Spider & 124 Spider, as well as 1968-only 850 Sedan & 850 Coupe. All 850's had one on the passenger side, while the 124 had one on the driver side. The chrome housing & lamp are the same as used on the front turn signal of 1968/69 850 Spiders (the light socket itself is different - 1 wire for the Reverse light vs. 2 wires for the front turn signal set-up). The sides of the chrome housing are angled like a parallelogram, so there's a "right" lamp (D = Destre) & a "left" lamp (S = Sinistre), these letters can be found cast inside the housing.

The clear/white lenses were also used on the front of various period Italian exotic cars (Alfa, Lamborghini, Maserati, etc.), usually the lamp was mounted upside-down (compared to the Fiats) & on top of the bumper instead of under it.

Re: New 1969 Spider Project

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:44 pm
by fiat850
bartigue wrote:
Mon Apr 29, 2019 9:26 pm
And, of course, comedy...
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Was the previous owner's name "Roxanne", by any chance? :lol:

Re: New 1969 Spider Project

Posted: Tue Aug 20, 2019 10:26 pm
by bartigue
fiat850 wrote:
Tue Aug 20, 2019 9:41 pm
bartigue wrote:
Sun Apr 28, 2019 7:13 am
Here is a photo of the reverse light, it’s a shared part with the Alfa duetto. I’m looking into the history of it because it wasn’t common on fiats.
These Carello Reverse lamps were used on the USA 1968/69 850 Spider & 124 Spider, as well as 1968-only 850 Sedan & 850 Coupe. All 850's had one on the passenger side, while the 124 had one on the driver side. The chrome housing & lamp are the same as used on the front turn signal of 1968/69 850 Spiders (the light socket itself is different - 1 wire for the Reverse light vs. 2 wires for the front turn signal set-up). The sides of the chrome housing are angled like a parallelogram, so there's a "right" lamp (D = Destre) & a "left" lamp (S = Sinistre), these letters can be found cast inside the housing.

The clear/white lenses were also used on the front of various period Italian exotic cars (Alfa, Lamborghini, Maserati, etc.), usually the lamp was mounted upside-down (compared to the Fiats) & on top of the bumper instead of under it.
Good to know, thank you.
This poor car had so much overspray - it is taking time and acetone to clean it all up!