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Ladder Bumpers - what was the first year?

Post by zonker » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:04 am

OK, just procured a 124 Spider with a 4/73 production date tag in the drivers door jamb, and it has the later style ladder bumpers and telescopic shocks. I thought '73 and '74 model 124 Spiders had the earlier style chrome bumpers.

Which leads me to ask the all knowing Spider veterans: What was the earliest production date 124 Spider with the ladder bumpers?
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Post by davedecker4 » Tue Jun 18, 2019 1:31 am

If you mean the double chrome tube with heavy rubber style, '75 model year cars were first year.
Early euro style may have had just the blades. US version usually had the little overriders on those up to '74.
A couple states (California and Michigan, Maryland?) had an odd extra long overrider that may have split the bumper. This may have been 74 only, or 73/74? The overriders looked kind of like well overgrown versions of the Abarth bumperettes. There may have been more than one version of these, I don't know for sure not living somewhere it was required.
I'm not certain if 73 and 74 bumpers were exactly the same mounting even if they looked the same. Its been awhile since I had one that year. I know the sedan is slightly different even though it looks about the same.
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Post by bartigue » Tue Jun 18, 2019 6:43 am

What is the serial number of the car? The one stamped into the body? That will tell you the real production sequence of the body. The bumpers didn't interchange so it may be you have a later car that has had its plates swapped to desmog it.
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Post by zonker » Tue Jun 18, 2019 12:15 pm

Most likely even though this car is wearing a door jamb tag and engine tune up plate of a 1973, everything else points to a later model. I cannot tell if the stamped serial number has been doctored, but it reads 124CS1009271. Upon checking the model identification chart elsewhere in this forum, I noticed I am 1 digit shy of a complete serial number, look like the layers of paint have obscured it. Assuming there is a last digit under there, this places the car as a 1975 model, which seems consistent with all the other features of the car (tube bumpers, unleaded fuel tank restrictor).
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Post by friedman » Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:13 pm

Does the number match the vin on the dash plate and the silly ID plate in the engine bay held on with sheet metal screws?

I had a discussion once with a Fiat buddy about using one of his title kits on a nice spider with no title and we debated whether to go through the effort of cutting out the stamped fire wall number and welding in the piece he had to go with his title. I used to say who cares since spiders were worth so little but obviously that has changed in the last two or three years.

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Post by MikeGreer » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:07 pm

Prior to 1973, the blade style bumpers were solid mounted. For 1973 that same bumper with the small overriders was mounted further from the body and attached to rubber absorbers. This was also true for 1974 models except as previously noted for CA & MD. The rubber mounting may have been one of the dumbest things Fiat ever did. Although it accomplished the goal of no bumper damage, that was only because the rubber allowed the bumper to just move out of the way. The result was more significant front clip and hood damage.
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Post by bartigue » Tue Jun 18, 2019 10:12 pm

CS1 (75 1800 was the first year of the CS1) and all spiders from that point have the tube bumpers.
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Post by zonker » Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:53 am

friedman wrote:
Tue Jun 18, 2019 3:13 pm
Does the number match the vin on the dash plate and the silly ID plate in the engine bay held on with sheet metal screws?
No firewall screw on vin plate nor aluminum tag over dash are present, only the firewall number stamping. The plastic door jamb plate on the car shows a 4/73 production date, and the tune up tag on the radiator support also says 1973 model. This is why I asked the question regarding a '73 model possesing tubular shock absorber mounted bumpers.
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Post by friedman » Wed Jun 19, 2019 8:16 am

How odd, why would someone go to the effort of drilling out the rivets and removing the dash vin plate. Did 73s not have this plate?
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Post by bartigue » Wed Jun 19, 2019 9:38 am

In order to bypass emissions I would assume
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